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Christopher wrote:

Anyone who gives someone else flak for choosing to not drink is an asshat.

But peer pressuring others to do drugs is cool!

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I guess I've caught enough flak from people (especially family) over the years over not drinking nearly at all, ever, that I'm a bit sensitive to it.

I'm a teetotaler myself (though I do love the non-alcoholic kind of cider very, very much, and have been tempted to try the hard variety).  Alcohol destroyed the lives of my first set of parents, and I already know I have an addictive personality; I don't need anything that will biochemically reinforce the addiction.  So know that you are not the only one to make such a life choice, and that I at least fully support you in it (doubly so given that you're a parent; your children will not grow up to be like me, and that's a tremendously good thing).

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Personally, I don't care in the slightest what people do as long as it doesn't adversely affect others. Someone not having a drink has basically no effect on me at all.

People who drink quite often also drive cars while drunk, causing accidents which take lives, destroy property and drive up insurance rates.  And even more often, they puke in public, make a lot of noise in the middle of the night, and otherwise make life unnecessarily obnoxious.  Smoking is far worse, since it poisons and stinkifies the air for a huge radius around the person doing it.  So yes, other people's choices very much affect me, and I'm not shy about wanting to limit their ability to do such things anywhere near where I happen to be; what people do in the privacy of a home that doesn't share walls with mine is their business, but I believe my right to go out into public without being exposed to the consequences of their stupdity trumps their right to be stupid.  (They have that right, it's just lower in rank of importance - "cannot" trumps "can", so my right to not be smoked around exceeds another's right to smoke when around me.  Making small personal sacrifices for the sake of others's welfare is the whole point of society.)

I'm sorry to hear about you're aunt's "friends", though; such spiteful behavior (essentially a version of Tall Poppy Syndrome) is a huge source of our world's overall suckitude.


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I've given up eating and absorb all the energy I need directly from the Sun. It has been a rough winter.

Drinkwise, I recently tried a Sazerac for the first time and recommend it highly.

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jffdougan wrote:
I guess I've caught enough flak from people (especially family) over the years over not drinking nearly at all, ever, that I'm a bit sensitive to it.

 

Wait, your family harrasses you for NOT drinking? ... want to trade?

Like I said, it's usually in the form of "You need to lighten up," although there have been occasional pointed comments if it messes with somebody's plans for what to serve. I had a rocky-ish relationship with my father for several years, and my sister has suggested at least once that he and I need to go get drunk together to clear a bunch of the air. But, like at least one other noted, I know I've got a bit of an addictive personality and don't really feel like taking my chances.

I'm conscious of an old superstition against toasting in water, though, and will generally make sure I've got something else to use for the toast if I'm expecting one. It's one of the rare times I will imbibe.

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The whole "in vino veritas" thing has been floating around for a long time; it's true that alcohol lowers inhibitions, so a person who's drunk is less likely to be capable of lying.  But if both members of a dialogue are drunk, the chances of one being clear-headed enough to ask a question that he needs the other to answer honestly are probably not greatly improved.  A person is perfectly capable at any time of just choosing to lower their inhibitions and/or choosing to be honest, so I would deny that getting drunk ever provides any real benefits to the people involved.


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Edwin wrote:

The whole "in vino veritas" thing has been floating around for a long time; it's true that alcohol lowers inhibitions, so a person who's drunk is less likely to be capable of lying.  But if both members of a dialogue are drunk, the chances of one being clear-headed enough to ask a question that he needs the other to answer honestly are probably not greatly improved.  A person is perfectly capable at any time of just choosing to lower their inhibitions and/or choosing to be honest, so I would deny that getting drunk ever provides any real benefits to the people involved.

Agreed. Making amends with someone usually requires a bonding experience that both participants enjoy and find meaningful. For some people, it's drinking, for others it's going to a ball game or just sharing a meal together.


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I'm surprised that I have not found my people hear - my people being gin drinkers. 

I may or may not be able to make it to Evan's birthday drinking, but I believe that you can never go wrong with a gin and tonic, gimlet, or tom collins. Gin martinis are good but only with good gin/olives and you have to be sure not to be served anything in a martini glass. Martini glasses are the worst. 


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beevolant wrote:

 Martini glasses are the worst. 

A couple years back, my entire Halloween costume consisted of a tuxedo (because I happen to own one that still fits) and a martini glass. I had several people who didn't know what I'd been plannning recognize it right away.

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beevolant wrote:

I'm surprised that I have not found my people hear - my people being gin drinkers. I may or may not be able to make it to Evan's birthday drinking, but I believe that you can never go wrong with a gin and tonic, gimlet, or tom collins. Gin martinis are good but only with good gin/olives and you have to be sure not to be served anything in a martini glass. Martini glasses are the worst. 

I told EvanDan in another place that this is one of my preferences. And, for the record, it's just "martini." The only one that needs a descriptor is that vile abomination, the "vodka martini."


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I don't not drink. That is, I drink so rarely, a lot of people don't realise I do.


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So I was at a formal meal last night with my choir. I don't remember how we got there, but the guy opposite me (who has known me for around 9 years) said to me in surprise at one point in the conversation, "But you don't drink!"

In answer I waved my half-empty wine glass at him. It turns out that every time he's seen me in a social drinking type situation, I haven't actually been drinking when he's been looking at me. Or something. 

Now it's true that I don't usually drink very much. But there have been many choir social occasions when I've had more than a few, so I have no idea how he got that impression of me. He must have just forgotten or something. Weird. 


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So I was at a formal meal last night with my choir. I don't remember how we got there, 

That's usually a sign you've been drinking before the meal!

 

(Yeah yeah, I know what you actually meant)


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Yeah, one glass of wine the entire night. Last of the big drinkers here! ;)

For me, tiredness and alcohol don't mix that well. I enjoyed what I had, but didn't fancy another. Water was fine. 


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I have an entire laundry list of things I'll be drinking for you fine folks. I'll be sure to get a before/after picture.


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imprimis5 wrote:

 And, for the record, it's just "martini." The only one that needs a descriptor is that vile abomination, the "vodka martini."

I agree, but I've found that most bars don't. :(


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jffdougan wrote:

It's usually in the form of "You need to lighten up..."And I know there are more non-drinkers out there, but when I did grad school in Wisconsin, it often seemed like I was the only one. I guess I've just gotten pre-emptively sensitive on this topic.

Welp.  That there's yer problem.

Minnesotan here, and honestly, I thought that we did a ridiculous amount of drinking until I went over to Wisconsin and witnessed the absolute liquid debauchery that takes place almost nightly.  Spending a few weekends in Madison during St. Paddy's Day or Marti Gras (or any of the other various excuses to day-drink) was enough to show me that Minnesotans don't really drink; we sip like children lapping at a water fountain in comparison to those miscrients on the other side of the river.

It reminded me of the movie Beerfest when the two drunken heroes challenge the germans to a chugging contest only to realize they were in way over their heads.  If you thought you were the only one in Wisconsin who didn't drink, that's probably because it was true.

But all of that aside, I'm so glad that micro-breweries have taken off at a ridiculous pace over the last decade and that Minnesota is one of the leaders in amazing local beers.  Anyone in the Minneapolis area must go and try a few flights at Dangerous Man brewery.

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EvanDan55 wrote:
I have an entire laundry list of things I'll be drinking for you fine folks.

Protip: Be certain that laundry soap is not on said list.  Trust me on this one.


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It reminded me of the movie Beerfest when the two drunken heroes challenge the germans to a chugging contest only to realize they were in way over their heads.  If you thought you were the only one in Wisconsin who didn't drink, that's probably because it was true.

Going to college in Wisconsin, I can attest to the level of drinking. In the words of Lewis Black, they aren't alcoholics, they are professionals.


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I guess this could go on both the "Drinks" and the "Books" thread, but I recently read Rum: A Social and Sociable History of the Real Spirit of 1776 and I don't think most Americans can really comprehend the level of alcoholism that was present in colonial America. 

I think we are all amateurs compared to those folks. 

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jagarciao wrote:

I guess this could go on both the "Drinks" and the "Books" thread, but I recently read Rum: A Social and Sociable History of the Real Spirit of 1776 and I don't think most Americans can really comprehend the level of alcoholism that was present in colonial America. I think we are all amateurs compared to those folks. 

The good old days when politicians could rink on the job.  No wonder they were able to compromise.

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I have a friend who has an unusual condition where occasionally he will move about drunkenly (despite having nothing to drink!)  We found a solution, however.  If he actually does drink, the symptom goes away.  So, there's one case where drinking was actually helpful.  Just for the record, I do not drink.


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bessyrocks12 wrote:

 

danmarshall14 wrote:
 It reminded me of the movie Beerfest when the two drunken heroes challenge the germans to a chugging contest only to realize they were in way over their heads.  If you thought you were the only one in Wisconsin who didn't drink, that's probably because it was true.

 

Going to college in Wisconsin, I can attest to the level of drinking. In the words of Lewis Black, they aren't alcoholics, they are professionals.

They truly are professionals.  The Minnesota vs Wisconsin rivalry doesn't help things.  Because of course my friends and I challenged our Wisconsin friends to an olympic competition of beer pong, tippy cup, and drunken frisbee.  And of course, they absolutely wiped the floor with us.  It was ridiculous.

Being up in Riverfalls or Madison on the weekend is the equivalent of any other city's St. Paddy's day.  They don't joke around.

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Donner wrote:
I have a friend who has an unusual condition where occasionally he will move about drunkenly (despite having nothing to drink!)  We found a solution, however.  If he actually does drink, the symptom goes away.  So, there's one case where drinking was actually helpful.

There's an "in Soviet Russia"-type joke in there somewhere, but I can't quite pinpoint it.....


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danmarshall14 wrote:

 

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 danmarshall14 wrote:
 It reminded me of the movie Beerfest when the two drunken heroes challenge the germans to a chugging contest only to realize they were in way over their heads.  If you thought you were the only one in Wisconsin who didn't drink, that's probably because it was true. 

 

Going to college in Wisconsin, I can attest to the level of drinking. In the words of Lewis Black, they aren't alcoholics, they are professionals.

They truly are professionals.  The Minnesota vs Wisconsin rivalry doesn't help things.  Because of course my friends and I challenged our Wisconsin friends to an olympic competition of beer pong, tippy cup, and drunken frisbee.  And of course, they absolutely wiped the floor with us.  It was ridiculous.Being up in Riverfalls or Madison on the weekend is the equivalent of any other city's St. Paddy's day.  They don't joke around.

Milwaukee and Wausau were quite enough to enjoy. I was lucky enough to partake with people with good taste in drinks, so I think that made me a more educated drinker, (hopefully not too much of a snobbish drinker). That being said, those people are nuts when it comes to sitting down and drinking. The boot game is not for amateurs...(Beerfest doesn't do it the justice it deserves, that is a lot of beer at once).


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Hey kids! Last day for you guys to submit what you'd like me to drink for you if you can't make it to the game day in St. Louis (AKA my 21st birthday party)! I'll take a picture with your name on an index card and your drink in hand! If you can't think of anything, I'll just have a shot for you! Just ask! It'll be like you're all there with me in spirits!


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One pint of their finest tap water for me :D


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BlueHairedMeerkat wrote:

One pint of their finest tap water for me :D

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EvanDan55 wrote:

 

BlueHairedMeerkat wrote:
One pint of their finest tap water for me :D

 

YOU'RE INSANE

I found the tap water there to be quite palletable.

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St. Louis is actually known for having unusually delicious tap water.


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I knew it was famous for something. 


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Ha. Just checking to make sure that EvanDan55 made it through his Rite of Passage with nothing more (and absolutely no less) than a splitting headache and a decidedly uncooperative stomach the next day. 

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I wish it to be known that whenever I see the title of this thread, a shrill voice in my head goes "Drinks for sale!"  It's getting quite irritating.

 

Espcially as the quote I'm getting it from is "Sweets for sale!", and has nothing to do with drinks at all.

 

 

Slightly more on topic, in general I've found that the temperature of water has a much greater effect on its flavor than it's source.  


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Slightly more on topic, in general I've found that the temperature of water has a much greater effect on its flavor than it's source.  

That's true about a great many drinks. For example, it's the reason most beer in the USA is sold chilled. Colder drinks help numb the sensation of taste, so you won't be able to taste it as well as if it was room temperature.


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jagarciao wrote:

Ha. Just checking to make sure that EvanDan55 made it through his Rite of Passage with nothing more (and absolutely no less) than a splitting headache and a decidedly uncooperative stomach the next day. 

Hate to disappoint, but no--I did not have to suffer a hangover. I am yet to experience one, and plan on keeping that record. The secret is lots of water and bread.

It was a lot of fun.


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Talk, talk. Where are the pictures? cheeky


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imprimis5 wrote:

Talk, talk. Where are the pictures? cheeky

Didn't take a single one. Those will come later. ITAP didn't have the mixed drinks I needed to complete the list. And I didn't want to show favoritism amongst you fine folks. Soon, though, I promise.


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