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DC's All New 52 (spoilers maybe)

Anyone pick up a copy of Justice League #1 yet? I personally liked it, though I think some of the costumes are going to take awhile to get use to.


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I haven't, I've been meaning to check the new series out. The thing that has prevented me from doing so, is it seems to be a very half-hearted reboot. If they want to start fresh with their continuity, they need to start fresh with their continuity. Start everything over from scratch, keep it all straight.

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I've always had a vague interest in comic books, but haven't ever been sure of where to start, due to all the spin-offs, alternate storylines, etc. I'm very interested in this as a good starting point. Anyone know if it'll be easy to pick up from here? I'm planning on picking a couple of series and starting with those, if so.


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SlenderTroll wrote:
I've always had a vague interest in comic books, but haven't ever been sure of where to start, due to all the spin-offs, alternate storylines, etc. I'm very interested in this as a good starting point. Anyone know if it'll be easy to pick up from here? I'm planning on picking a couple of series and starting with those, if so.

DC's new 52 is a complete reset of their universe so this is a good jumping in point. Check out your local comic shop and talk to them about what would be the best book to start with, is the only advice I can give at this point because I am a long time comic reader and will read them all anyway.


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Yeah, the relaunch is a great place to pick up DC books. You may also want to try Invincible (it being the greatest superhero book and all), just buy the trade paperbacks.


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I'll agree on Invincible. It's really fantastic.

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Another good couple of series right now is Irredeemable and Incorruptible from Boom Studios. They take established views of heroes and villains and turn them on their heads.


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I've not picked up anything yet, but I'm excited for Batgirl and I'll probably pick up Firestorm because I'll read anything Gail Simone writes. I'll also be picking up Birds of Prey out of book loyalty.  I've heard good things about Batwoman so I'll probably try it out, too.  Red Hood and the Outlaws appeals to my love of the anti-hero so we'll see.  Ditto Suicide Squad, but I adore Harley and her new costume makes me want to claw my eyes out, so I'll probably pass on that one.

I haven't been able to get to a comic store since they started releasing stuff, so I'm not actually sure what's out yet and such.


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The New 52 Released so far:
Wed Aug 31st: Justice League
Wed Sept 7th: Action Comics, Animal Man, Batgirl, Batwing, Detective Comics, Green Arrow, Hawk and Dove, Justice League International, Men of War, O.M.A.C., Static Shock, Stormwatch, Swamp Thing.


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The New 52 Released so far:
Wed Aug 31st: Justice League
Wed Sept 7th: Action Comics, Animal Man, Batgirl, Batwing, Detective Comics, Green Arrow, Hawk and Dove, Justice League International, Men of War, O.M.A.C., Static Shock, Stormwatch, Swamp Thing.

I guess I'll have to try to get to my comic shop over lunch tomorrow for Batgirl!  And next Wednesday to pick up some more.  I really just need to get them to set up a pull file for me, the way my schedule is.


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I'm thinking of doing the digital thing. Marvel's got theirs but it's mostly back issues and as I understand it is a few months behind at least, but DC just launched theirs with the reboot and they release digitally at the same time as in print, for a dollar off the cover price, then going down another dollar after subscribing for a month. Seems reasonable, and for those of us without much space, a viable alternative.

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I've been enjoying the Marvel digital subscription I have, but man, their website really needs to be overhauled. It's surprisingly sloppy considering how big a company they are.


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It's been that way for a while, their character encyclopedia is a disaster.

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Will post the next weeks of DC's new 52 issues here if people would like me to, as I have a release schedule and it would be nothing for me to share. ;)


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Up to you man. Anybody hit up their comic shop today?


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Up to you man. Anybody hit up their comic shop today?

I'm going over lunch for Batgirl.  And I think I need to pick up the most recent X-23 too.


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How was it? I picked up Action and Detective comics. Didn't really dig Detective. Action was good though.


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I had comicfail! They were already out. He's getting more in next week and I've finally set myself up a pull list to prevent this in the future. I'm so tempted to torrent it just so I don't have to wait to read it, but I don't really want to do that either.


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Here is what we have to look forward to next week.

Releasing Wed Sept 14th: Batman and Robin, Batwoman, Deathstroke, Demon Knights, Frankenstein Agent of S.H.A.D.E, Green Lantern, Grifter, Legion Lost, Mister Terrific, Red Lanterns, Resurrection Man, Suicide Squad, Superboy.

I am really interested Frankenstein and Legion Lost as well as Red Lanterns. Not that I won't read them all. :P


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Tamar wrote:
I had comicfail! They were already out. He's getting more in next week and I've finally set myself up a pull list to prevent this in the future. I'm so tempted to torrent it just so I don't have to wait to read it, but I don't really want to do that either.

That is a major bummer.


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So far I am not unimpressed with what has been put out there. I really enjoyed Batgirl (sorry no spoilers here), and most of the others and I am interested in seeing where the stories go. I am still bummed about the art for Wonder Woman but if the story is as awesome as the current books promise then I might be able to overlook it.

I think by the end of the month I will have a definite idea of what books will be worth it to me and what ones I will probably follow just to finish out the initial arc and then pass on the rest, unless they sucker me with another awesome storyline arc.It's still up in the air for me as we have only seen about a 3rd of the books and the next few weeks will be the make it or break it point for them I think.


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Ah, see I'm the opposite, possibly just because I'm an artist. I can overlook a poor story in a comic for good art, but if it's got bad art it's not worth my time.

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Ah, see I'm the opposite, possibly just because I'm an artist. I can overlook a poor story in a comic for good art, but if it's got bad art it's not worth my time.

I am a huge fan of Wonder Woman but if the art remains bad I will probably not continue to read it after the initial story arc regardless of how good the next story is. I am hoping that the art I have seen so far is just the cover and the interior will be better. Of course, all art is subjective and it may continue to sell books to people that like that style of art. It all reminds me of those dark days of the New Mutants and the horrible surreal art that they used for almost 2 years I can't remember the artists name, as I burned it from my memory but it truly made my eyes bleed even though the story was really good.

Oh well, I still have a week yet before I have to decide if I am going to put my hard earned money down on it.


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You're probably thinking of Bill Sienkiewicz, he did the art for Frank Miller's Elektra also. I'll have to check it out, Cliff Chiang has been hit or miss in the past for me. I liked his Green Arrow and Spectre stuff but was not a fan of his Detective Comics. My girlfriend is really the Wonder Woman fan, I like the character but really despise her supporting cast and villains. I think she's best used in a team book.

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I don't even know who her villains are, now that I think about it.


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Exactly.

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Adam wrote:
You're probably thinking of Bill Sienkiewicz, he did the art for Frank Miller's Elektra also. I'll have to check it out, Cliff Chiang has been hit or miss in the past for me. I liked his Green Arrow and Spectre stuff but was not a fan of his Detective Comics. My girlfriend is really the Wonder Woman fan, I like the character but really despise her supporting cast and villains. I think she's best used in a team book.

After Crisis on Infinite Earths in the late 80's and early 90's  they rewrote her origins and reimaged her. Her history drastically changed and most of her villains and supporting cast were mystical in nature or had divine origins (Ares, Hermes, etc.) she also had the Cheetah which was cool. That was when Perez was writing and drawing the book and after he left i'm not sure where they went with it.They also briefly had a romance with Superman as she is almost the same power level as he is but it didn't work out. Its going to have to be written really smart and interesting to keep readers coming back for more this time around.


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The only time I've seen her written in a way that was compelling to me was in the Justice League and JLU animated series. Though, truth be told, the same could be said of most of DC's characters. They manage to have these iconic superheroes that everyone recognizes, but the most lackluster, boring, and convoluted comics around. Even Batman (who none can argue is the coolest hero ever) has terrible comics. I can count the number of interesting printed DC stories on my fingers, and most of them are Green Lantern. On the flip side though, nearly everything they've done in animation since Batman: The Animated Series has been fantastic.

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As a side note, one of the reasons that Batman series was so great is because for the people creating it, not only based it on Tim Burton's movie, they made every episode as if it were a short movie.  They also gave it a nice dark feel by always using black paper as the base, even in the bright sunny scenes.


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Oh, absolutely, Bruce Timm is a genius. I started using the DCAU as cannon because it's much easier to introduce someone to the characters if they're worth caring about.

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I've always believed that Marvel had better characters and stories but of late that has proven to be somewhat harder to find as they concentrate more on the motion picture side of things and less on making cohesive and engaging stories int heir books. Most of DC's characters I will agree lack substance (with the obvious exception of the Batman who is the coolest hero in comics and on screen) and seem to be way more powerful than they should be overall. My least favorite DC hero has to be Superman. Not because of his origins or beliefs but because of his powers and power level. There is no single hero that can match him in sheer power and abilities (other than Batman and only because he is THE MAN). If you know his weakness then he's boned but beyond that he is untouchable. Marvel heroes have depth of character are interesting because they have faults and have weaknesses that are easily exploited by even the lowest of villains, but they come back stronger and win the day.
I am uninspired by Marvel's latest mega-story Fear Itself. It had such potential to be great and it fell flat. The story is a convoluted mess the books are scattered and not very cohesive with the story. There seems to be no clear direction that its moving in. I liked Civil War and its aftermath story arcs but this one is kind of bleh. Of the two Flashpoint was better because it was consistent and interesting enough to get me to read it.
I'll continue to give the New 52 a chance but if Marvel gets their act together soon they may fall to the wayside.


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I used to work at a comic store, so I was reading everything for a few years, but I grew up on Marvel predominantly. I agree with absolutely everything you said in that last post, but I haven't really read anything since Secret Invasion, around which time I got burned out. With the direction Marvel took things in both 616 and Ultimate, I sort of began to view the Death of Captain America as the end of the Marvel universe. It's a good stopping point and it all happened fairly well. Recently I picked up the first trades of Avengers, New Avengers, and Secret Avengers, and the only one I didn't really get into was Secret. The "Avengers Proper" books had a very old-style sensibility, and that was refreshing.

As for Superman, he is WAY overpowered, even with kryptonite. What I loved about the animated series is that they toned his powers down so he ended up getting beaten up a lot, but they also deal with the concept of him abusing his power, and make him a bit less of a boy scout. Bruce Timm should be awarded a medal for making me like Superman. A medal from the President.

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Oh, absolutely, Bruce Timm is a genius.

I have SUCH a nerd crush on Bruce Timm.  I've just started seeing this awesome X-23 that he did, floating around the internet.  I love how he can do art that is cheesecakey, but still adorable and fun.  Certainly doesn't hurt that he draws one of my favorite pairs pretty frequently ^_^


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Cheesecakey?


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That X-23 is REALLY nice, some of my favorite work of his.

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eh the new 52  :-\not as bad as i had initially thought it was gonna be. i picked up batgirl, JlA and JLI. wasn't impressed.  im just really upset that Red Robin was cancelled it was one of my favorite comics had a really good run, it made tim drake the next batman to be, only better but in the new relaunch looks like hes a kid again and his costume kind of blows. but im not too bummed i still have loads of back issues in the old DCU i need. after that im going marvel lol.

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Cheesecakey?

Cheesecake/beefcake. Art that is sexy, often just for the sake of being sexy, or just improbably unclothed for the scenario.  There is good/inoffensive stuff like Timm's or this.  It at least makes sense for Supes to have removed his shirt to rip a tree out of the ground. And then there's stuff that is not so good. Like what is even going on here? And there's stuff that is straight up AWFUL like Witchblade (NSFW-ish) or Tarot: Witch of the Black Rose(also NSFW-ish).

Think all those super cut leather-underwear-and-cape-clad guys from the 300 movie.  Certainly not something I mind watching, but there is no realistic reason for them to not be wearing things like ARMOR and CLOTHING!  Or those old school pin-up girls who just "happen" to walk over an air grate at the wrong time or get their skirts caught in door or whatever.


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That X-23 is REALLY nice, some of my favorite work of his.

She's on my list of comic costumes I really want to do. Along with Lady Blackhawk, She-Hulk (shut up 5' nothing She-Hulk is so legit! :P), Misfit, Black Canary, Dagger (if I could find a Cloak to match), Kitty Pryde's original, self made costume... So many!


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Hahaha, could there be any more vines? "Yes, I know she's already called the Witch of the Black Rose, but people won't get that unless we draw vines everywhere. Make it happen, Bob."


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So, that X-FORCE X-23 or whatever that was... who is she?


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Wolverine's female clone daughter, I think?


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Wolverine's female clone daughter, I think?

Wait, she is his clone and his daughter? That doesn't seem physically possible. Is Dakken the father too?


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Ah, Tarot. Working at a comic store I saw about 15 people come through and buy that every month and ALL of them looked like they're required to go door-to-door when they move to a neighborhood. It's the ones that are also buying Robin, Runaways, and Power Pack that you need to look out for.

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meakatommy wrote:

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Wolverine's female clone daughter, I think?

Wait, she is his clone and his daughter? That doesn't seem physically possible. Is Dakken the father too?

I think the distinction is because she was cloned but then developed within a womb and born? Or something? Think of it like Big Boss and Solid Snake in the MGS series.


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So, that X-FORCE X-23 or whatever that was... who is she?

Short very low spoiler version of X-23:
X-23 is a clone (mostly) of Wolverine made in a new iteration of the Weapon X program. They had an incomplete DNA sample and all of the embryos that they made with the XY chromosome set failed so the new scientist they brought in on the project did unapproved side experiments and finally got it to work with the XX chromosomes.  She's then forced to carry the baby to term as a punishment for going behind their backs. The child (X-23 because she was the 23rd embryo) is raised in terrible, de-humanising conditions and trained to be an assassin.
Eventually, when she's 13ish I think, the proverbial stuff hits the fan, and she escapes, pretty much destroys the facility and has adventures with the NYX kids,  Young X-Men, and X-Factor.

I heart X-23 so much ^_^


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That X-23 is REALLY nice, some of my favorite work of his.

She's on my list of comic costumes I really want to do. Along with Lady Blackhawk, She-Hulk (shut up 5' nothing She-Hulk is so legit! :P), Misfit, Black Canary, Dagger (if I could find a Cloak to match), Kitty Pryde's original, self made costume... So many!

I would totally pay to see these costumes. She-Hulk would be awesome btw I don't care if your 3' tall or 7' tall it would just be geektastic. Alls I can say is PICTURES please!!!!!


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I would totally pay to see these costumes. She-Hulk would be awesome btw I don't care if your 3' tall or 7' tall it would just be geektastic. Alls I can say is PICTURES please!!!!!

I would totally get paid to make these costumes!  Feel free to send money to paypal account... :P


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Tamar wrote:

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I would totally pay to see these costumes. She-Hulk would be awesome btw I don't care if your 3' tall or 7' tall it would just be geektastic. Alls I can say is PICTURES please!!!!!

I would totally get paid to make these costumes!  Feel free to send money to paypal account... :P

Hmmmmm... must resist temptation to give random people money for cool ideas. Arrrg the force is strong in this one must use all my powers to resist her. Damn that didn't work. Oh well I guess a pretty face is my weakness. :P


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I would totally pay to see these costumes. She-Hulk would be awesome btw I don't care if your 3' tall or 7' tall it would just be geektastic. Alls I can say is PICTURES please!!!!!

I would totally get paid to make these costumes!  Feel free to send money to paypal account... :P

Hmmmmm... must resist temptation to give random people money for cool ideas. Arrrg the force is strong in this one must use all my powers to resist her. Damn that didn't work. Oh well I guess a pretty face is my weakness. :P

Heck, if you're paying people to wear em, I will too. How do you feel about fat, hairy, male she-hulk?


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I would totally pay to see these costumes. She-Hulk would be awesome btw I don't care if your 3' tall or 7' tall it would just be geektastic. Alls I can say is PICTURES please!!!!!

I would totally get paid to make these costumes!  Feel free to send money to paypal account... :P

Wouldn't that just be the Hulk? :P

Hmmmmm... must resist temptation to give random people money for cool ideas. Arrrg the force is strong in this one must use all my powers to resist her. Damn that didn't work. Oh well I guess a pretty face is my weakness. :P

Heck, if you're paying people to wear em, I will too. How do you feel about fat, hairy, male she-hulk?


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The Conscience wrote:

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I would totally pay to see these costumes. She-Hulk would be awesome btw I don't care if your 3' tall or 7' tall it would just be geektastic. Alls I can say is PICTURES please!!!!!

I would totally get paid to make these costumes!  Feel free to send money to paypal account... :P

Wouldn't that just be the Hulk? :P

Hmmmmm... must resist temptation to give random people money for cool ideas. Arrrg the force is strong in this one must use all my powers to resist her. Damn that didn't work. Oh well I guess a pretty face is my weakness. :P

Heck, if you're paying people to wear em, I will too. How do you feel about fat, hairy, male she-hulk?

Was there supposed to be a response in there somewhere?


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